Sorting strings

[statquant2]

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[Petr Savicky]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:18:42AM -0800, statquant2 wrote:
> Hi all, I am having difficulties to understand how R sort strings:
>
> If I do
> R) sort(c("X.","X0B"))
> [1] "X."  "X0B"
>
> So for me, as far as lexicographic order is concerned I can add whatever to
> the end, the order will remain the same, but :

Hi.

This neednot be true for strings of different length.
For example

  ab
  abc

become by concatenation with z

  abcz
  abz

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> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:18:42AM -0800, statquant2 wrote:
>> Hi all, I am having difficulties to understand how R sort strings:
>>
>> If I do
>> R) sort(c("X.","X0B"))
>> [1] "X."  "X0B"
>>
>> So for me, as far as lexicographic order is concerned I can add whatever
>> to
>> the end, the order will remain the same, but :
>
> Hi.
>
> This neednot be true for strings of different length.
> For example
>
>  ab
>  abc
>
> become by concatenation with z
>
>  abcz
>  abz
>
> Petr Savicky.
>

That's not the explanation in this case.

The OP isn't telling us everything.
I get [R version 2.14.1 Platform: i386-pc-mingw32/i386 (32-bit)]:
> sort(c("X.","X0B"))
[1] "X."  "X0B"
> sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
[1] "X.Z"   "X0B.Z"

KJ

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[Enrico Schumann]

See ?Comparison, which holds some warnings about what to expect when
sorting strings.


Am 20.02.2012 11:51, schrieb Petr Savicky:

> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:18:42AM -0800, statquant2 wrote:
>> Hi all, I am having difficulties to understand how R sort strings:
>>
>> If I do
>> R) sort(c("X.","X0B"))
>> [1] "X."  "X0B"
>>
>> So for me, as far as lexicographic order is concerned I can add whatever to
>> the end, the order will remain the same, but :
>
> Hi.
>
> This neednot be true for strings of different length.
> For example
>
>    ab
>    abc
>
> become by concatenation with z
>
>    abcz
>    abz
>
> Petr Savicky.
>
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[Michael Weylandt]

I don't *think* it's version specific, but rather it depends on your
(still unstated) locale, as the documentation goes to great lengths to
point out. Change that and you might see different behaviors.

Michael

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:55 AM, statquant2 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I did, but this does not give the answer to my question...
> Anybody knows how to tweack the behaviour of sort or how to do ?
>
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[Rui Barradas]

Hello,

statquant2 wrote

Ok so it changed from 2.12.2 to 2.14.1 ??
Can somebody tell me how to modify my sort or whatever to get the save resilt that I would get in 2.14.1 ?

Cheers

I don't know about 2.12.2 but for 2.12.0 I get:

> R.version
               _                            
platform       i386-pc-mingw32              
arch           i386                        
os             mingw32                      
system         i386, mingw32                
status                                      
major          2                            
minor          12.0                        
year           2010                        
month          10                          
day            15                          
svn rev        53317                        
language       R                            
version.string R version 2.12.0 (2010-10-15)
> sort(c("X.","X0B"))
[1] "X."  "X0B"
> sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
[1] "X.Z"   "X0B.Z"

And the same for 2.14.1:

> R.version
               _                            
platform       i386-pc-mingw32
[... deleted...]
version.string R version 2.14.1 (2011-12-22)
> sort(c("X.","X0B"))
[1] "X."  "X0B"
> sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
[1] "X.Z"   "X0B.Z"

Could it be OS related?

Rui Barradas.

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[Petr Savicky]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:55:30AM -0800, statquant2 wrote:
> I did, but this does not give the answer to my question...
> Anybody knows how to tweack the behaviour of sort or how to do ?

Hi.

Try this

  Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")


This comes from ?locale and reads there

     Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")   # turn off locale-specific sorting,
                                        #  usually

See also ?sort

     The sort order for character vectors will depend on the collating
     sequence of the locale in use: see ‘Comparison’.

?Comparison

     Comparison of strings in character vectors is lexicographic within
     the strings using the collating sequence of the locale in use: see
     ‘locales’.  The collating sequence of locales such as ‘en_US’ is
     normally different from ‘C’ (which should use ASCII) and can be
     surprising.  Beware of making _any_ assumptions about the
     collation order: ...

Hope this helps.

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[De-Jian Zhao]

It seems OS-dependent. I got different results when trying it on windows
xp and Redhat linux.


 > R.version
                _
platform       x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
arch           x86_64
os             linux-gnu
system         x86_64, linux-gnu
status
major          2
minor          9.1
year           2009
month          06
day            26
svn rev        48839
language       R
version.string R version 2.9.1 (2009-06-26)
 > sort(c("X.","X0B"))
[1] "X."  "X0B"
 > sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
[1] "X.Z"   "X0B.Z"


 > R.version
                _
platform       x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
arch           x86_64
os             linux-gnu
system         x86_64, linux-gnu
status
major          2
minor          9.1
year           2009
month          06
day            26
svn rev        48839
language       R
version.string R version 2.9.1 (2009-06-26)
 > sort(c("X.","X0B"))
[1] "X."  "X0B"
 > sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
[1] "X0B.Z" "X.Z"


On 2012-2-20 23:27, statquant2 wrote:

> Ok I have :
>
> R) str(R.Version())
> List of 13
>   $ platform      : chr "x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu"
>   $ arch          : chr "x86_64"
>   $ os            : chr "linux-gnu"
>   $ system        : chr "x86_64, linux-gnu"
>   $ status        : chr ""
>   $ major         : chr "2"
>   $ minor         : chr "12.2"
>   $ year          : chr "2011"
>   $ month         : chr "02"
>   $ day           : chr "25"
>   $ svn rev       : chr "54585"
>   $ language      : chr "R"
>   $ version.string: chr "R version 2.12.2 (2011-02-25)"
>
> R) sort(c("X.","X0B"))
> [1] "X."  "X0B"
> R) sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
> [1] "X0B.Z" "X.Z"
>
> I am using a linux redHat
> $ uname -a
> Linux 2.6.18-238.9.1.el5 #1 SMP Fri Mar 18 12:42:39 EDT 2011 x86_64 x86_64
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
>
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[Petr Savicky]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:56:21PM +0100, Petr Savicky wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:55:30AM -0800, statquant2 wrote:
> > I did, but this does not give the answer to my question...
> > Anybody knows how to tweack the behaviour of sort or how to do ?
>
> Hi.
>
> Try this
>
>   Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")
>
>
> This comes from ?locale and reads there

This is not in ?locale, but in ?locales

>      Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")   # turn off locale-specific sorting,
>                                         #  usually

This in the example section at the end.

Try also to see

  Sys.getlocale()

Relevant can also be LC_CTYPE

  Sys.setlocale("LC_CTYPE", "C")

Hope this helps.

Petr Savicky.

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[De-Jian Zhao]

Sorry, just made a mistake. This is the result from windows xp.

 > sort(c("X.","X0B"))
[1] "X."  "X0B"
 > sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
[1] "X.Z"   "X0B.Z"
 > R.version
                _
platform       i386-pc-mingw32
arch           i386
os             mingw32
system         i386, mingw32
status
major          2
minor          13.0
year           2011
month          04
day            13
svn rev        55427
language       R
version.string R version 2.13.0 (2011-04-13)


On 2012-2-21 0:13, De-Jian Zhao wrote:

> It seems OS-dependent. I got different results when trying it on
> windows xp and Redhat linux.
>
>
> > R.version
>                _
> platform       x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
> arch           x86_64
> os             linux-gnu
> system         x86_64, linux-gnu
> status
> major          2
> minor          9.1
> year           2009
> month          06
> day            26
> svn rev        48839
> language       R
> version.string R version 2.9.1 (2009-06-26)
> > sort(c("X.","X0B"))
> [1] "X."  "X0B"
> > sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
> [1] "X.Z"   "X0B.Z"
>
>
> > R.version
>                _
> platform       x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
> arch           x86_64
> os             linux-gnu
> system         x86_64, linux-gnu
> status
> major          2
> minor          9.1
> year           2009
> month          06
> day            26
> svn rev        48839
> language       R
> version.string R version 2.9.1 (2009-06-26)
> > sort(c("X.","X0B"))
> [1] "X."  "X0B"
> > sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
> [1] "X0B.Z" "X.Z"
>
>
> On 2012-2-20 23:27, statquant2 wrote:
>> Ok I have :
>>
>> R) str(R.Version())
>> List of 13
>>   $ platform      : chr "x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu"
>>   $ arch          : chr "x86_64"
>>   $ os            : chr "linux-gnu"
>>   $ system        : chr "x86_64, linux-gnu"
>>   $ status        : chr ""
>>   $ major         : chr "2"
>>   $ minor         : chr "12.2"
>>   $ year          : chr "2011"
>>   $ month         : chr "02"
>>   $ day           : chr "25"
>>   $ svn rev       : chr "54585"
>>   $ language      : chr "R"
>>   $ version.string: chr "R version 2.12.2 (2011-02-25)"
>>
>> R) sort(c("X.","X0B"))
>> [1] "X."  "X0B"
>> R) sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
>> [1] "X0B.Z" "X.Z"
>>
>> I am using a linux redHat
>> $ uname -a
>> Linux 2.6.18-238.9.1.el5 #1 SMP Fri Mar 18 12:42:39 EDT 2011 x86_64
>> x86_64
>> x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/Sorting-strings-tp4403696p4404298.html
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>>
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>>
>

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[De-Jian Zhao]

On 2012-2-20 23:15, Rui Barradas wrote:
> Could it be OS related?

Yes, it seems. I tried it on my local windows xp and redhat linux
server, and got different results. Hope it will be fixed in the future
versions. Maybe we should keep alert to check whether the results are
consistent when transferring our code from one platform to another.


 > sort(c("X.","X0B"))
[1] "X."  "X0B"
 > sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
[1] "X0B.Z" "X.Z"
 > R.version
                _
platform       x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
arch           x86_64
os             linux-gnu
system         x86_64, linux-gnu
status
major          2
minor          9.1
year           2009
month          06
day            26
svn rev        48839
language       R
version.string R version 2.9.1 (2009-06-26)



 > sort(c("X.","X0B"))
[1] "X."  "X0B"
 > sort(c("X.Z","X0B.Z"))
[1] "X.Z"   "X0B.Z"
 > R.version
                _
platform       i386-pc-mingw32
arch           i386
os             mingw32
system         i386, mingw32
status
major          2
minor          13.0
year           2011
month          04
day            13
svn rev        55427
language       R
version.string R version 2.13.0 (2011-04-13)

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[ted.harding-3]

On 20-Feb-2012 Petr Savicky wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:55:30AM -0800, statquant2 wrote:
>> I did, but this does not give the answer to my question...
>> Anybody knows how to tweack the behaviour of sort or how to do ?
>
> Hi.
> Try this
>
>   Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")
>
> This comes from ?locale and reads there
>
>   Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE", "C")   # turn off locale-specific sorting,
>                                      #  usually
>
> See also ?sort
>
>      The sort order for character vectors will depend on the
>      collating sequence of the locale in use: see 'Comparison'.
>
> ?Comparison
>
>      Comparison of strings in character vectors is lexicographic
>      within the strings using the collating sequence of the locale
>      in use: see 'locales'. The collating sequence of locales such
>      as 'en_US' is normally different from 'C' (which should use
>      ASCII) and can be surprising. Beware of making _any_ assumptions
>      about the collation order: ...
>
> Hope this helps.
> Petr Savicky.

I've been following this thread with interest. I had begun composing
a reply on similar lines to Petr's above, but put it on one side
while waiting to see how the thread would evolve.

In view of the tangle of mixed experiences reported by different
users, I now wonder whether we should have something like "lc_collate"
as a specific parameter for sort(), e.g. so that one can set, for a
particular sorting operation,

   sort(c("X.","X0B"),lc_collate="C")

without affecting the system "LC_COLLATE" setting (i.e. the change
takes effect only within the execution of that sort() command).

Ted.

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